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		By: cynthia		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2011 02:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.cynthianewberrymartin.com/2011/02/critiques-look-for-doorways/#comment-2826&quot;&gt;Tricia&lt;/a&gt;.

Tricia, great to hear from you. And yeah, the critiques as doorways is clearly a lovely idea that has positives and negatives...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.cynthianewberrymartin.com/2011/02/critiques-look-for-doorways/#comment-2826">Tricia</a>.</p>
<p>Tricia, great to hear from you. And yeah, the critiques as doorways is clearly a lovely idea that has positives and negatives&#8230;</p>
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		By: Tricia		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 19:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would be tempted to use the circle/question mark theory only to save time trying to figure out how to &quot;fix&quot; it. But would I like that kind of critique for myself? I think not. I would want to know why the question mark. Otherwise I might go off in the wrong direction when the person was only telling me I was in the wrong POV or tense.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be tempted to use the circle/question mark theory only to save time trying to figure out how to &#8220;fix&#8221; it. But would I like that kind of critique for myself? I think not. I would want to know why the question mark. Otherwise I might go off in the wrong direction when the person was only telling me I was in the wrong POV or tense.</p>
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		By: cynthia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cynthia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 21:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.cynthianewberrymartin.com/2011/02/critiques-look-for-doorways/#comment-2824&quot;&gt;Sarah Laurence&lt;/a&gt;.

I like the image of revision doorways, too, Sarah. I think I was just trying to remind myself that &lt;em&gt;sometimes&lt;/em&gt; rather than fixing, a circle and a question mark might give the writer the space to clarify the muddled passage her own way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.cynthianewberrymartin.com/2011/02/critiques-look-for-doorways/#comment-2824">Sarah Laurence</a>.</p>
<p>I like the image of revision doorways, too, Sarah. I think I was just trying to remind myself that <em>sometimes</em> rather than fixing, a circle and a question mark might give the writer the space to clarify the muddled passage her own way.</p>
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		By: Sarah Laurence		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sarah Laurence]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 19:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I like the image of revision doorways as I&#039;m in the midst of revisions myself.  I like a combination of overall impressions and line edit comments to pinpoint problems.  Positive feedback bolsters spirit, but the negative, constructive comments are necessary too as long as they are specific.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the image of revision doorways as I&#8217;m in the midst of revisions myself.  I like a combination of overall impressions and line edit comments to pinpoint problems.  Positive feedback bolsters spirit, but the negative, constructive comments are necessary too as long as they are specific.</p>
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		By: cynthia		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2011 02:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.cynthianewberrymartin.com/2011/02/critiques-look-for-doorways/#comment-2820&quot;&gt;Terresa Wellborn&lt;/a&gt;.

Terresa, glad to hear about the reading and writing and chocolate. Same here I&#039;m happy to report.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.cynthianewberrymartin.com/2011/02/critiques-look-for-doorways/#comment-2820">Terresa Wellborn</a>.</p>
<p>Terresa, glad to hear about the reading and writing and chocolate. Same here I&#8217;m happy to report.</p>
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		By: cynthia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cynthia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 21:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.cynthianewberrymartin.com/2011/02/critiques-look-for-doorways/#comment-2819&quot;&gt;Jeff McMahon&lt;/a&gt;.

Jeff, thanks for your thoughtful response. I think you&#039;re exactly right that responding only with a question mark is not the universal best response. I can easily see how framing a note to a writer about whether he or she meant X or Y might enable the writer to see where the problem lay far better than a question mark. It might just crack open the issue and allow for the writer to realize that after all she meant Z. 

I love the prohibition against marginalia by the lectors. I&#039;ve never heard of such a thing but what a great idea. I&#039;ve just finished my critical thesis, and one of my points was that merely writing &quot;show; don&#039;t tell&quot; in the manuscript margins has done more harm than it has good. 

Also, I&#039;m sure I oversimplified Wallace&#039;s points. When she is working with someone, her response is to point to a muddled passage and ask the writer to talk to her about what&#039;s going on in that passage.  So perhaps the question mark is only the preferred response in the absence of an opportunity for articulation, written or otherwise. And here again, I can even think of examples where &quot;fixing&quot; would show the writer something that a question mark would not...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.cynthianewberrymartin.com/2011/02/critiques-look-for-doorways/#comment-2819">Jeff McMahon</a>.</p>
<p>Jeff, thanks for your thoughtful response. I think you&#8217;re exactly right that responding only with a question mark is not the universal best response. I can easily see how framing a note to a writer about whether he or she meant X or Y might enable the writer to see where the problem lay far better than a question mark. It might just crack open the issue and allow for the writer to realize that after all she meant Z. </p>
<p>I love the prohibition against marginalia by the lectors. I&#8217;ve never heard of such a thing but what a great idea. I&#8217;ve just finished my critical thesis, and one of my points was that merely writing &#8220;show; don&#8217;t tell&#8221; in the manuscript margins has done more harm than it has good. </p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m sure I oversimplified Wallace&#8217;s points. When she is working with someone, her response is to point to a muddled passage and ask the writer to talk to her about what&#8217;s going on in that passage.  So perhaps the question mark is only the preferred response in the absence of an opportunity for articulation, written or otherwise. And here again, I can even think of examples where &#8220;fixing&#8221; would show the writer something that a question mark would not&#8230;</p>
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		By: cynthia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cynthia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 20:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.cynthianewberrymartin.com/2011/02/critiques-look-for-doorways/#comment-2818&quot;&gt;Rigmarole&lt;/a&gt;.

Ha! Thanks, Jodi : )]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.cynthianewberrymartin.com/2011/02/critiques-look-for-doorways/#comment-2818">Rigmarole</a>.</p>
<p>Ha! Thanks, Jodi : )</p>
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		By: Terresa Wellborn		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 06:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Glad you stopped by, as I&#039;ve been meaning to stop by and been way-laid with life! Hmm, to catch up quickly, I&#039;ve been writing poetry, the odd essay, cramming my mouth full of chocolate (left over from Valentines, you see), and reading my eyes out. 

Great advice on critiquing, I met with my crit group a few days ago, I like the idea of  “troubles” not as problems to be fixed but rather as doorways...I&#039;m bringing these thoughts to my next meet up! (Thank you for this!)

Hope you are well and writing, as always, yes? :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you stopped by, as I&#8217;ve been meaning to stop by and been way-laid with life! Hmm, to catch up quickly, I&#8217;ve been writing poetry, the odd essay, cramming my mouth full of chocolate (left over from Valentines, you see), and reading my eyes out. </p>
<p>Great advice on critiquing, I met with my crit group a few days ago, I like the idea of  “troubles” not as problems to be fixed but rather as doorways&#8230;I&#8217;m bringing these thoughts to my next meet up! (Thank you for this!)</p>
<p>Hope you are well and writing, as always, yes? 🙂</p>
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		By: Jeff McMahon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 03:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for posting this terrific food for thought, Cynthia. I think Wallace makes a great point about growing edges, and about not fixing, but is it a universal point? I can see how it would be useful to question a difficult passage in a narrative, if the difficulty is based in something like plot or sequence. But what if the issue is something like clarity at the sentence level? What if you can show your colleague that the action is locked up somewhere other than in the verb and the actor is hiding somewhere other than in the subject position? That takes more than a question mark.

I also learned a lot from a longstanding policy in the University Writing Program at UChicago that prohibits lectors (the teachers who lead writing groups) from writing marginalia. Instead of writing puzzling phrases like AWK or Huh? in the margins, lectors at UChicago have to articulate their responses to a text in written comments. 

That process of articulation is often also a process of discovery that reveals more to the lector about the problem between the text and the reader. And a question mark can&#039;t convey what was learned. We should read like writers, right? Be analytical readers, so we don&#039;t devolve into &quot;I like your character Bob, but that character named Jane—?&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting this terrific food for thought, Cynthia. I think Wallace makes a great point about growing edges, and about not fixing, but is it a universal point? I can see how it would be useful to question a difficult passage in a narrative, if the difficulty is based in something like plot or sequence. But what if the issue is something like clarity at the sentence level? What if you can show your colleague that the action is locked up somewhere other than in the verb and the actor is hiding somewhere other than in the subject position? That takes more than a question mark.</p>
<p>I also learned a lot from a longstanding policy in the University Writing Program at UChicago that prohibits lectors (the teachers who lead writing groups) from writing marginalia. Instead of writing puzzling phrases like AWK or Huh? in the margins, lectors at UChicago have to articulate their responses to a text in written comments. </p>
<p>That process of articulation is often also a process of discovery that reveals more to the lector about the problem between the text and the reader. And a question mark can&#8217;t convey what was learned. We should read like writers, right? Be analytical readers, so we don&#8217;t devolve into &#8220;I like your character Bob, but that character named Jane—?&#8221;</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 00:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is exactly how I used to run writing workshops in the fourth grade.  We had a ritual say three things you liked and why, and ask one question.  I think it would work well with grown-ups, too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is exactly how I used to run writing workshops in the fourth grade.  We had a ritual say three things you liked and why, and ask one question.  I think it would work well with grown-ups, too.</p>
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